纳什是历史上最不被尊重的球星？大梦、指环王、贝勒等也被低估

Steve Nash = most disrespected star in NBA History?

史蒂夫-纳什是NBA历史上最不被尊重的球星么？

It really feels like it. Especially within the modern era....Melo, CP3, & Steph are probably the only guys who I can think that even comes close...seems like nobody"s greatness/legacy gets questioned more than Nash"s. And I know it’s due to the controversial MVP"s, the lack of defense, lack of scoring, and lack of championships....But I just think it"s wrong how people aggressively hate on him and disrespect him (mainly for winning those MVPs)

我真是这么觉得的。特别是在NBA的现代史中，安东尼，保罗，和库里可能是为数不多的几个我认为接近纳什境遇的球员。似乎没有任何球员的伟大或者传奇遭受过比纳什这样更多的质疑。我知道这是因为MVP奖项的争议，防守端不给力，得分不高，没拿过总冠军……但是，我只是觉得人们不该如此过分地厌恶他，不尊敬他（他们恨他的主要原因就是得了那俩MVP）。

From Shaq, to Stephen A, to Kobe stans, and casual fans in general....They go way too hard in trying to skew people"s opinion of him & shift the narrative on his entire legacy....You literally can"t bring up his name in a basketball discussion without hearing barbershop nonsense like "he stole those MVPs" , "he was really no better than Mike Bibby" , or "he was just a product of D"Antoni"s system, rule changes, & white privilege" ...SMH...as if he voted for himself, or he wasn"t a 2x All-Star/2x All-NBA guy (in Dallas) before the rule changes & linking up with D"Antoni...It"s ridiculous the lengths that people go to make it seem like he was absolutely garbage before playing in the SSOL system, and absolutely undeserving of all his accomplishments.

从奥尼尔，到斯蒂芬-A-史密斯，到科比的死忠粉，还有普通球迷……他们努力改变大众的看法，试图让人们对纳什产生偏见，在纳什整个传奇的生涯方面左右舆论……当在有关篮球的讨论中提及他的名字时，你不可避免地会听到些流言蜚语，像是说“他那些MVP都是偷来的”啦，“他真的不如迈克-毕比”啦，或者说“他只是德安东尼体系下的受益者，占了规则改变的便宜，还是个白人，有着白种优势”啦等等。唉，真是够够的了，搞得好像那些MVP选票都是纳什自己投的，在联盟改变规则、和德安东尼合作之前，他在达拉斯的两次全明星跟两次NBA最佳阵容都是啥？太荒谬了，人们弄得好像纳什在打太阳的炮轰体系之前就是个垃圾似的，完全配不上他的所有成就。

Like, it"s one thing to disagree with the MVPs...but to just sit up & completely discredit his greatness as a whole, is where a lot of people in the NBA community go wayyy too overboard....Guy is a top 10 shooter/top 5 passer of all-time, for crying out loud...finished his career with over 10k assists, 8 All-Star appearances, 7 All-NBA selections, & shot 50/40/90 more times than anyone in the history of the game....That within itself makes him a great player. Forget the MVPs...

比如，你不认为他能拿那两个MVP是一回事儿，但总的来说，很多与NBA相关的人（球迷也好，球员也罢，或者是媒体）完全只是坐在那儿玩儿命诋毁他的伟大而已。纳什可是历史上前十的射手和前五的传球手啊，听见了吗，职业生涯拥有超过10000个助攻，8次全明星，7次NBA最佳阵容，50%+40%+90%命中率的次数比历史上任何人都要多。这本身就能证明他是名伟大的球员，更别提还有两次MVP呢。

But here"s an example of what I"m talking about (just peep the comments)

但是，这就是我所说的现象的一个例子（随便瞥一眼评论吧）。

链接：推特网友讨论欧文是否已经强于纳什>>

http://twitter.com/HitmanHolla/status/933398668882923520?s=17

Like bruhhhhh, name another legend that receives this typa treatment? Not only was the question disrespectful, but guys like GP or J.Kidd would’ve won that in a landslide. No question.

老哥，你能叫出一个收到过这种对待的其他传奇的名字么？不只是不被尊重的问题，要是像加里-佩顿还有基德这样的球员在这种讨论中肯定会有压倒性的优势。这是毫无疑问的。

At this point, the Nash hate is way too excessive and unnecessary....and as a diehard fan, it hurts, because I know that it"s only going to get worse from here...newer uneducated fans, are going to take what they constantly hear from these haters, and run right away with it. Smh

现在而言，纳什黑做得太过了，根本没必要的啊。作为一名纳什的死忠粉，这很让人受伤，因为我知道事情会变得比这更糟。更年轻没看过球的球迷，会被他们从这些黑子口中不断听到的言论冼脑，越来越远离事实与真相。唉……

I feel bad for Nash because he was such a great player and Good Samaritan. He doesn"t deserve to have his legacy/reputation tarnished by the extreme amount of jealous individuals who have a bias against him & an agenda to make him look bad.

我为纳什感到难过，因为他是如此伟大的球员，还是个心地善良的人。他不应该被那么多妒忌的人玷污他的传奇与名誉，这帮人对他存在偏见，跟打卡上班儿似的整天说他的不是。

Hope they don"t try to pull this same crap with Curry 10-15 years from now. Seems like the small super skilled finesse guys are the easiest targets.

希望他们不会在10到15年后在库里身上扯一样的淡。感觉这些极富技巧性的小个子球员最容易被喷子当靶子啊。

[–][BOS] Paul PierceONLINEGAMR360 98 指標 8小時前

This is a byproduct of casual fans not knowing any better or very little about the game fam. You have to prove to them why Nash won those MVP"s. How he helped the Suns improve by 33 wins. Imagine if someone tried saying the Celtics improvement by 40 wins was regardless of Larry Bird his rookie year. That"s the equivalent.

凯尔特人球迷：老哥，普通球迷是不识货的，他们对比赛知之甚少，你说的现象是这种情况的副产品。你得向他们证明为什么纳什能赢得那两个MVP。他是怎么帮太阳队提高了33个胜场。你能想象有人说凯尔特人多赢的那40场比赛跟新秀赛季的伯德鸟关系都没有么？一个道理。

How they lost their main scorer but Nash kept the Suns in playoff contention in 2006 and even made the Western Conference Finals without Amar"e"s 26 PPG and 9 RPG. Nash dropping 19/11 on 51/44/92 that year ain"t nothing to scoff at.

2006年，他们的主要得分手缺阵了，但是纳什把太阳队送进了季后赛，甚至在没有斯塔德迈尔场均26分9篮板的情况下打进了西部决赛。纳什那年场均19分11个助攻，51%+44%+92%的命中率，这可不是什么能嘲笑的事情啊。

Nash could score great if he wanted too. I think in Nash"s first MVP year, in the playoffs he scored 25 and averaged 11 APG I think. Then 20/10 the next years playoffs. It wasn"t that he didn"t try to play defense he just couldn"t. He was just too small to stop other bigger guards, think of Isaiah last season.

只要纳什想，他也能拿高分。我记得在他第一个MVP赛季，季后赛里场均25分（实际是23.9分），11个助攻。然后第二年季后赛，场均20+10。不是说他不想打出防守，他只是做不到。他身材太小了，挡不住其他大个后卫，想想上个赛季的小托马斯吧。

[–]mostredditisawful 94 指標 7小時前

Also, he was the point guard of the best offense in the league in Dallas, and when he left the league"s best offense followed him, not Dirk. Nash ran the league"s best offense for a decade straight, across franchises, coaches, and loads of teammates. He"s the common denominator. He"s one of the greatest offensive players of all time but isn"t recognized as such because he wasn"t a great scorer.

还有，在小牛队的时候，他是联盟里进攻最强球队的控球后卫，而当他离开小牛的时候，联盟里的最强进攻是跟着他一块儿去的太阳，而不是陪着德克。纳什连续十年运转着联盟里的最强进攻，历经不同的球队，教练还有队友。他是个标杆。他是历史上最伟大的进攻球员之一，但是就这点而言却不被大家公认，因为他不是个伟大的得分手。

[–]Superquiz 41 指標 8小時前

People dismiss how important he was to that team.

人们并不在意他对那支球队有多重要。

[–]Sunsiamstarbucks 51 指標 6小時前

Nash ran the most efficient offense in the NBA for 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. EIGHT fucking years IN A ROW.

太阳球迷：纳什运转着NBA里最具效率的进攻，在2002年，2003年，2004年，2005年，2006年，2007年，2008年，还有2009年。看看看看，连续八年啊！[译注1]

[译注1]：这条回复被这位用户在本帖中发送多次。

[–]perpetualennui 29 指標 4小時前

I"ve seen you post this a couple of times now, and I can"t tell you how much I sincerely appreciate that. Nash was an OG before getting to Phoenix, his Dallas years were already spectacular. Yet just because he wasn"t averaging numbers that blow people away, he never gets the respect he deserve.

MDA is amazing, and is rightfully hailed as an offensive genius. But MDA wouldn"t have gotten the respect he deserved without Nash. MDA needed Nash more than Nash needed MDA, let"s never get that confused

我看你（楼上）用这句话在帖子里回复了好几次了，真的非常非常非常谢谢你。纳什在来太阳队之前就是个有创造力的球员，他在达拉斯的那几年已经很惊人了。然而只是因为场均数据没有那么让人惊艳，他从没得到他应得的尊敬。德安东尼很棒，作为一名进攻天才真是值得接受敬意。但是没有纳什的话，他是不会得到他应得的尊重的。相较而言，德安东尼比纳什更需要对方，永远别在这点上搞糊涂账。

[–]Sunsiamstarbucks 20 指標 4小時前

The mid-2000s pace was one of the slowest in the past several decades, everyone"s numbers were down. offense was pretty slow and 3"s weren"t common, big men dominated the paint still, and the Suns were literally inventing the style of basketball that only in the past few years the Warriors and Rockets have really perfected.

But it"s all about narratives, and shitting on the Suns is a perpetual past time since most fans on here can"t remember a time that the Warriors weren"t the best team in the league.

21世纪头十年的中间几年攻防速率是过去几十年来最慢的之一，每个人的数据都有所下降。进攻慢慢悠悠，三分球还不是常规武器，大个子仍然统治者禁区，而太阳队差不多创造了一个在过去几年只有勇士队和火箭队真的精通了的篮球风格。

但是，关键在于舆论导向如何，现在对太阳队开喷是种停不下来的消遣，因为这里的大部分球迷并不记得勇士队还不是联盟最强球队的那段岁月。

[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozanGreenMaatta 49 指標 7小時前*

This is exactly right. I"ll add another stat to your list to help prove why he deserved his MVPs. It"s one of my favourite stats to quote about him.

说的太对了。我想在你的列表里增加另一个数据来佐证为什么纳什值得他的MVP头衔。这是他的数据中我最喜欢的其中之一。

In 2005 when Nash won his first MVP he was coming from Dallas, who had the #1 offensive rating in the league from 2001-2004 with him as point guard. In 2004 Phoenix was ranked 20th. In 2005, Nash came to the suns, and they ended the year with the #1 offensive rating, and continued to have the #1 offensive rating for 5 years in a row total.

在2005年纳什首夺MVP的时候，他刚从达拉斯来到太阳队，2001年到2004年，以纳什为控球后卫的小牛队联盟进攻效率第一。2004年，太阳队这项数据排名第20位。2005年，纳什来到太阳队，赛季结束，他们进攻效率第一，此后连续5年排名第一。

So in short, Nash led the leagues best offensive team for 9 years straight, and that 9 years includes 2 different teams, and 3 different head coaches.

所以，简言之，纳什连续9年带领着联盟进攻最出色的球队，而这9年包含两支不同的队伍，以及三位主教练。

Edit: found the picture too Nash"s teams offensive ranking including when Nash is on the floor. 

Any Nash fans that find themselves trying to convert haters should save this picture.

p.s. 还找到了有关纳什球队进攻排名的图片，里面包含纳什在场时的进攻效率。

任何想跟黑子理论转变他们观点的纳什球迷都该保存这张图片。

OffRtg：每百回合得分；Nash on：纳什在场时球队每百回合得分；Lg. OffRtg：联盟每百回合得分平均水平；Diff. ：球队与联盟每百回合得分平均水平的差值；ATRank：自1977-78赛季以来共998支队伍中的排名。

[–][LAL] Kareem Abdul-JabbarSphexus 193 指標 8小時前

Nah, Elgin Baylor.

湖人球迷：不，埃尔金-贝勒才是最不受尊重的。

[–]Bullscolorfulskies 25 指標 4小時前

looked up his hightlights a few years ago after hearing some old head call him one of the best of all time who never gets mentioned and I gotta say... damn.

几年前，我听有些老人称他为史上最强之一，不过我从未听到他被提及过，然后我查阅了下他的集锦，我得说……真厉害啊。

[–]Lakerswwgaray 10 指標 2小時前

Chick Hearn who saw everyone from the 60s to the 3 peat Lakers in the early 2000s play said Elgin Baylor is the greatest player he ever saw on the court. The dude did everything. Sucks that he retired before we won our chip.

湖人球迷：奇克-赫恩见证了从60年代到20世纪初三连冠的湖人队里每个球员的表现，他说埃尔金-贝勒是他在球场上见过的最伟大的运动员。他无所不能。他在赛季夺冠前退役真是件堵心的事儿啊。

[–]CelticsMexter-Dorgan 145 指標 6小時前

Going 0/8 in Finals will do that to a man.

8进总决赛却颗粒无收，谁这样都不会被尊重吧。

[–]swag_america 23 指標 1小時前

Better then 0/0

总比连总决赛的地板都没摸过要好吧。

[–]dewchunks 47 指標 6小時前

And worthy as well

Actually lots of 60s 70s players like frazier and willis

沃西也是。

事实上很多6、70年代的球员像弗雷泽还有威利斯-里德都是如此。

[–]KnicksZenenx 13 指標 3小時前

Frazier honestly doesn"t get disrespected as much as other players from his era, most people i know put him in the top 10 for point guards and one of the best defensively ever.

尼克斯球迷：不过说实话，跟同时代的其他球员相比，弗雷泽并没有怎么被低估，我认识的大部分人把他排在控卫的前10里面，也是防守端最好的球员之一。

[–][LAL] Stanislav Medvedenkotheaquaticgiraffe 575 指標 8小時前

It"s probably cause he"s black

可能是因为纳什是个黑人吧。

[–]Bullsazur08 188 指標 7小時前

My top 5 all time:

1) Pat Conaughton

2) JJ Reddick

3) Jacob Poeltel

4) Sean Bradley

5) Steve Blake

我的历史前五位黑人球员：

1）帕特·康诺顿

2）JJ-雷迪克

3）雅各布-珀尔特尔

4）肖恩-布拉德利

5）史蒂夫-布雷克

[–]RocketsMuddyWaterrs 103 指標 7小時前

Top 5 black list and no Jason Williams?

黑人前五的名单，竟然没有黑巧克力杰森-威廉姆斯？

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 38 指標 4小時前

Don"t forget Ernie "the Elevator" Johnson.

Took down Charles Barkley 1v1.

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